The Hazy IPA

[Dustin Frothman]

BTW @Wazza_wantsbeerKegland/Keg King are essentially the same company. They had a big and rather public falling out a few years ago which spawned Kegland. It's why if you haven't noticed already, that some of their products are either the same or are very similar.

I don't really care. In fact I'd rather give my money to Brewart/Coopers because I'm a South Aussie (*cough* adopted *cough*) but they don't make everything so you know ...

Edited December 3, 2021 by Dustin Frothman

[Hambone]

1 hour ago, Dustin Frothman said:

It's actually not that bad.

I ordered some gear from Kegland last Friday afternoon and had it by Wednesday this week.

I would just order from them and see.

Yeah, same. Ordered all the stuff to make my new kegerator on Thursday and it arrived Wednesday. 

I see on their facebook group that some orders are sitting but I would wonder what is in that order.

 

[Dustin Frothman]

5 minutes ago, Hambone said:

Yeah, same. Ordered all the stuff to make my new kegerator on Thursday and it arrived Wednesday. 

I see on their facebook group that some orders are sitting but I would wonder what is in that order.

 

Nice one.

It does just depend on what's in your order. You just have to purchase stuff when they have it in stock. Waiting to try and combine everything to save on some postage just means that you end up missing out.

It's just the way things are in Australia with imports at the moment.

[Dustin Frothman]

21 hours ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

Kegging and bottling for the DDH Hazy IPA. Whew  🙃

Still making the same bloody rookie error when filling the keg... I over fill it and end up with little if any headspace. So then I need to purge some beer (into a glass for drinking of course, waste not, want not) to make some headspace for carbonating via CO2.

And tips and hints as to how to tell when your keg is getting close to full?

In terms of taste and look straight out of the keg, my absolute favourite so far. The colour is just right, very fruit forward hop flavour with low bitterness.

Got fewer bottles than originally calculated as I followed the @Dustin Frothman model and drew off 250 ml before kegging and cold crash temp. Then overfilled the keg so had to draw off another 250 ml so about 500 ml in total was draw off (but not wasted, yummm🤤)

All bottles have been primed with Dextrose bar the two with rubber bands around the neck as I only had 3 drops remaining.

All up, very very satisfied with this effort and I can't wait for 2 weeks to get into the sample bottle.

In terms of expectations or maybe hopes:

I hope this one keeps the same colouration as that is perfect for a Hazy IPA. Really hoping it doesn't get any darker.

I hope it stays nice and cloudy/hazy because again, as it looks straight out of the Droid is bloody well spot on.

Hey @Wazza_wantsbeer,

Just looking at your photo there - when you're using those PET bottles, squeeze out as much of the air as you can before you screw on the cap.

The bottle won't stay crushed looking for too long as it will expand as it carbonates.

[Dustin Frothman]

 

Oh mamma!

[Captain 3 Droids]

10 hours ago, Dustin Frothman said:

 

Oh mamma!

That’s pouring well, looks great

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

16 hours ago, Dustin Frothman said:

 

Oh mamma!

@Dustin Frothmannow your just showing off...

The view out that windows is just stunning, looks like such a beautiful clear day.

 

Oh yeah, and the beer and Series X look pretty good too.

😍

In all seriousness, the jealousy levels have ratcheted up to super levels now.

That beer looks exactly what you would want and expect from a premium commercial Hazy IPA.

The colour, haze and the head just look superb.

How is the taste shaping up now?

This is the original Liam recipe pioneered by @Robert Pretty

Would be drinking at its peak now?

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

23 hours ago, Hambone said:

Yeah, same. Ordered all the stuff to make my new kegerator on Thursday and it arrived Wednesday. 

I see on their facebook group that some orders are sitting but I would wonder what is in that order.

 

@Hambone would be great if you could start a new thread on your build to take newbies like me thru the process.

I'm keen to either buy or build one for myself.

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

On 22/11/2021 at 8:39 AM, Robert Pretty said:

@Wazza_wantsbeer, 3 weeks from bottling. That was the first one from this new batch. I hopped with 50g of Athanum and 50g of Strata. Not as hoppy as I would of liked. Hopefully this will develop overtime. 

@Robert Pretty have you had a follow up taste since that first one which was more than 2 weeks ago now so at 5 weeks maturation?

Keen to see how it is maturing.

Also been meaning to ask, as you are the only one it seems to have brewed both the Liam Hazy and the Coopers Hazy (same recipe, different hops), what are your thoughts on the differences?

I like the fact that you are hopping at 100g, very much aligned to my own tastes.

[Hambone]

5 hours ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

@Hambone would be great if you could start a new thread on your build to take newbies like me thru the process.

I'm keen to either buy or build one for myself.

No worries. I'm doing three taps with flow control in a standard fridge. It'll be upside down, ie. Freezer on the bottom. 9.5l corny kegs and 2.6kg gas.

When the Minister for War and Finance approves the actual fridge she's happy with I'll post photos and description in a new thread. 

Cheers 

[Robert Pretty]

@Wazza_wantsbeer, on shift this weekend, come off tomorrow. Will put another bottle in tonight. So I will let you know, tomorrow night. Will be at 7 weeks secondary. As for a taste comparison. I brewed the first Hazy in January this year. Alot of beers under the bridge since then. It was only brewed with a total of 50g of hops. Next time I do it , will double the hops.

[Dustin Frothman]

8 hours ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

@Hambone would be great if you could start a new thread on your build to take newbies like me thru the process.

I'm keen to either buy or build one for myself.

We probably shouldn't dive too deep into the specifics of purchasing and/or building kegerators on this forum because the Brewart ecosystem offers its own take on one and it would be disrespectful to our sponsors to divert attention from their product offerings.

I have a BrewFlo and 20 PET kegs. I have various reasons for spending up on an alternative dispensing solution but ultimately I just wanted another 2 beers on tap simultaneously.

 

[Dustin Frothman]

8 hours ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

That beer looks exactly what you would want and expect from a premium commercial Hazy IPA.

The colour, haze and the head just look superb.

How is the taste shaping up now?

This is the original Liam recipe pioneered by @Robert Pretty

Would be drinking at its peak now?

Yes I think it's at its peak now. The taste is superb. I probably wouldn't change this at all.

I will definitely brew this again. After 18 months I think I've almost got my top 10 Brewprints sorted and these will be my go to for quick and easy brewing with exceptional quality and consistency.

I have a kettle now too and want to get into some Brew In A Bag all grain brewing just because I'm just interested in learning more about brewing in general and experimenting. But as mentioned in the Coopers XPA thread yesterday; you can't beat being able to throw some dried ingredients, yeast and hops into a fermenter and turn out a commercial quality beer with minimal fuss and incredible consistency. This is why I bought into the Brewart ecosystem to begin with and it is the standard I will measure any of my experiments with in the future.

 

 

[Captain 3 Droids]

3 minutes ago, Dustin Frothman said:

I think I've almost got my top 10 Brewprints sorted and these will be my go to for quick and easy brewing

Ha ha ha ha, I’ve had top 10 brews twenty times plus, good luck.

[Dustin Frothman]

5 minutes ago, Captain 3 Droids said:

Ha ha ha ha, I’ve had top 10 brews twenty times plus, good luck.

Glad to be very wrong about this.

Happy to be like David Letterman and have a different top 10 five nights a week. 

[Hambone]

23 hours ago, Dustin Frothman said:

We probably shouldn't dive too deep into the specifics of purchasing and/or building kegerators on this forum because the Brewart ecosystem offers its own take on one and it would be disrespectful to our sponsors to divert attention from their product offerings.

I have a BrewFlo and 20 PET kegs. I have various reasons for spending up on an alternative dispensing solution but ultimately I just wanted another 2 beers on tap simultaneously.

 

Ok I understand the POV. My counter would be that not everyone can afford $499 to dispense one keg at a time. Especially when I can set up 3 or 4 kegs for a similar price. I'll leave aside the reliability issues of the Beerflo. Taking into account that this forum is set up by the manufacturer/main retailer, I won't post into this forum. However, if people are interested, I'm happy to provide a parts list etc. 

Message me and I'll provide an external email address. There's plenty of videos on the Web on how to build your own kegerator. 

Cheers 

[Robert Pretty]

@Wazza_wantsbeer, just got off a 3 day 12h shift. This is going down well. This is starting to taste good. Probably not as fruity as the first version. Good hazy colour. 

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

15 minutes ago, Robert Pretty said:

@Wazza_wantsbeer, just got off a 3 day 12h shift. This is going down well. This is starting to taste good. Probably not as fruity as the first version. Good hazy colour. 

That certainly looks the business, as you say, it certainly has the right "haze" and nice head if I might say so  😉.

Interesting that it's not as "fruity", that would definitely be down to the hop choices.

A well deserved beer if any one of us does after 3 12 hr shifts. I know what that is like having done a decades worth of shift work when I first moved into IT. Nothing like a good beer at the end of a shift like that. Cheers!

[Dustin Frothman]

20 minutes ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

That certainly looks the business, as you say, it certainly has the right "haze" and nice head if I might say so  😉.

Interesting that it's not as "fruity", that would definitely be down to the hop choices.

A well deserved beer if any one of us does after 3 12 hr shifts. I know what that is like having done a decades worth of shift work when I first moved into IT. Nothing like a good beer at the end of a shift like that. Cheers!

Shift worker here.

The problem is real.

[Dustin Frothman]

57 minutes ago, Hambone said:

Ok I understand the POV. My counter would be that not everyone can afford $499 to dispense one keg at a time. Especially when I can set up 3 or 4 kegs for a similar price. I'll leave aside the reliability issues of the Beerflo. Taking into account that this forum is set up by the manufacturer/main retailer, I won't post into this forum. However, if people are interested, I'm happy to provide a parts list etc. 

Message me and I'll provide an external email address. There's plenty of videos on the Web on how to build your own kegerator. 

Cheers 

You're not wrong.

Coopers/Brewart pay for the forum though so where possible we should encourage uptake of the native products.

[Hambone]

9 hours ago, Robert Pretty said:

@Wazza_wantsbeer, just got off a 3 day 12h shift. This is going down well. This is starting to taste good. Probably not as fruity as the first version. Good hazy colour. 

Looks great. What were the differences in hops between your different versions?

Cheers 

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

To answer on behalf of all of those participating in this thread.

The original recipe that was worked up between Liam and @Robert Pretty calls for both Citra and Galaxy hops at 25g of each.

Trawling thru this thread, I've pulled out the following  starting with the original and then the variations.

Recipe v1 (the original):

E5 (x3), X2 (x3), Y2, D6 (Citra), D7 (Galaxy) @25g each

Brewing Program: Propagate: 22°C, Ferment: 18°C, Store: 4°C, Keg: 18°C, Dry Hop: Yes.

 

Recipe v2 (Coopers Hazy IPA clone):

E5 (x3), X2 (x3), Y2, Antanum, Strata @ 50g each 

Brewing Program: Propagate: 22°C, Ferment: 18°C, Store: 4°C, Keg: 18°C, Dry Hop: Yes.

For this variation which you see above in @Robert Pretty's most recent brew is it is a Coopers Hazy IPA clone and uses Antanum and Strata hops. Robert takes it one step further, like us Hop Heads and did 50g of each.

 

Recipe v3 (7.0-7.5% DDH Hazy IPA):

E5 (x4), X2 (x3), Y2, Citra, Mosaic, Eclipse 1st Hop Addition 15g each, 2nd Hop Addition

Brewing Program: Propagate: 22°C, Ferment: 18°C, Store: 4°C, Keg: 18°C, Dry Hop: Yes.

My version was quite different again in that I changed the base recipe to get a target ABV of 7.0-7.5% rather than the 6.5% of the original recipe and on top of that, I also did a Double Dry Hopped (DDH) version using Citra, Mosaic and Eclipse. 15g of each in the first hop addition at High Krausen and then another 25g of Citra and Mosaic and 20g of Eclipse for the second hop addition when the Droid told me to Dry Hop.

FYI, I had made a mistake when purchasing hops and missed picking up Galaxy hops so went with Mosaic. Was always planning to add Eclipse into the mix as I wanted a really juicy DDH Hazy IPA.

There also may be a 4th version of this recipe as @Dustin Frothman brewed it earlier this year (Oct 9) and is drinking perfectly now and from what I know of Dustin, I'm sure he would have gone with more than the 25g of the hops and likely hopped to a total of 100g but I am not sure of that.

[Robert Pretty]

4 hours ago, Hambone said:

Looks great. What were the differences in hops between your different versions?

Cheers 

@Hambone original hopped with 25g each of Citra and Galaxy, the second version hopped with 50g each of Ahtanum and Strata. Explains why the first one is more fruity. Ahtanum= grapefruit, lemon, earthy and pine. Strata= passion fruit, grapefruit and herbal.  Where as Citra and Galaxy are your real tropical fruit flavors. I will have to brew the first one again.

Edited December 5, 2021 by Robert Pretty

[Captain 3 Droids]

16 minutes ago, Wazza_wantsbeer said:

There also may be a 4th version of this recipe

There is, I did the recipe with 40g Sabro and 30g Idaho 7. A really top hop combination.

 

“Sabro is an Aroma hop from United States of America.
Descriptors include: citrus, tangerine, coconut, tropical_fruit, stone_fruit, cedar, mint, cream & herbal.

Idaho 7 is an Aroma hop from United States of America.
Descriptors include: black_currant, tropical_fruit, citrus, apricot, orange, grapefruit, papaya, resin, pine, floral, black_tea & earthy.”

[Wazza_wantsbeer]

4 minutes ago, Captain 3 Droids said:

There is, I did the recipe with 40g Sabro and 30g Idaho 7. A really top hop combination.

Missed this one, apologies @Captain 3 Droids  I missed this one when trawling thru the thread. I'll add it to the recipe list.