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Possible challenge, love the Coopers tin English Bitter (tin plus 500g Coopers ldme). What ingredients from the Brewprint list would you think could closely duplicate this.

Cheers, Mark

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On 16/08/2019 at 3:22 PM, Barrelboy said:

Possible challenge, love the Coopers tin English Bitter (tin plus 500g Coopers ldme). What ingredients from the Brewprint list would you think could closely duplicate this.

Cheers, Mark

Think that is a question for Liam, when you find out, let us know

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28 minutes ago, Rob Courtney said:

Think that is a question for Liam, when you find out, let us know

Good idea, I think the Ruby Porter (King Crimson) Brewprint may be close and with some adjustment? Will let you know.

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On 17/08/2019 at 9:58 PM, Barrelboy said:

Good idea, I think the Ruby Porter (King Crimson) Brewprint may be close and with some adjustment? Will let you know.

Liam’s on the ball as usual. He thinks the following will be close:-

2 x E2

1 x E5

1 x X3

Y4 yeast 

(will give about 4.1%)

Will let you know how it compares with the kit version (nearly always on tap).

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On 19/08/2019 at 11:52 AM, Barrelboy said:

Liam’s on the ball as usual. He thinks the following will be close:-

2 x E2

1 x E5

1 x X3

Y4 yeast 

(will give about 4.1%)

Will let you know how it compares with the kit version (nearly always on tap).

Put this in the droid on 30/8/19 and kegged today (6/9/19). Already have a kit English Bitter to compare with and both will be compared in a few weeks. Will advice further.

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1 hour ago, Barrelboy said:

Put this in the droid on 30/8/19 and kegged today (6/9/19). Already have a kit English Bitter to compare with and both will be compared in a few weeks. Will advice further.

Hi Mark

I Might have order the brewprints ingredients and give it a go. Out of interest do you rate the bitter from cans as being good? Cheers Terry

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I like a bitter beer and the kit version suits me fine. Looking at the Brewprint ingredients I think the bitterness will be less than the kit and as Liam stated in an email that the recipe may need some adjustments. The comparison tastings will decide if it is an issue. (an addition of English Kent Golding hops may be needed?) However time will tell.

Do you enjoy bitter beers?

Cheers Mark

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I don’t mind mildly bitter beers but not overly bitter ones. Bit like I don’t like overly hoppy beers either 

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Well the results of the first trial (email copies):-

“Hi Liam, well the English Bitter Brewprint trial was kegged on 6/9 (ss keg, carbonated co2 as with kits) so now 4 weeks.The mug on the left is kit English Bitter, the one on the right the Brewprint trial.

Beer head for both very similar, nice and creamy. Brewprint lighter in colour, Amber with slight rosiness about it. (I’d say colour not overly important). Good and similar bitter finish which surprised me. 

The only thing missing to match the kit is the kit has a malt sweetness to it then finishing with the bitterness. The Brewprint trial is more dry and lacking that sweetness to the palate.

Now it’s a good drop but if some sweetness could be added I’d say yeah, matches the kit version very closely.

Await your thoughts.”

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Trial 2 :-

Liam (Brewart Tech)

“Thanks for the comparison and the description, it definitely makes my job a lot easier.

The colour difference surprised me, my estimation was definitely off in the colour department.

 

Looking at that there are a couple of changes I would make. I would substitute the E5 for a E3. This will add the colour and some more sweetness while maintaining bitterness. Also I’d exchange the Y4 for a Y2, the Y2 yeast has lower attenuation and will leave some more sugars behind.

I would go with something like this:

E2

E2

E3

X3

Y2

ALC%

IBU

EBC

4.5

30

48

 

I’m glad to hear that it is still tasting good, it looks like a nice drop.

Please let me know how it goes. “

Action:- 

 

“Great stuff, 

I have one of the droids due to finish in a couple of days so I’ll put this one down and report back after 4 weeks in the keg. (It’s great having 2 droids, it gives you flexibility)

Cheers”

 

This to me is great stuff, can’t wait for next evaluation.

Cheers Mark

 

 

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Now into the trial 1 keg again, by ginkgo it’s not a straight clone of the kit version (as stated) but a bloody top drop.  Might ask Liam what we can call it?

(Ps for those who don’t know who Liam is, he’s the Coopers Brewart Tech guy, so helpful, so reliable for fast responses.)

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On 29/09/2019 at 3:02 PM, Barrelboy said:

Now into the trial 1 keg again, by ginkgo it’s not a straight clone of the kit version (as stated) but a bloody top drop.  Might ask Liam what we can call it?

(Ps for those who don’t know who Liam is, he’s the Coopers Brewart Tech guy, so helpful, so reliable for fast responses.)

When I get around to doing my next order I shall add Liam's tweaked recipe to the list. 

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23 minutes ago, Rennce said:

When I get around to doing my next order I shall add Liam's tweaked recipe to the list. 

Good idea as it looks the goods in the Droid and looking at the recipe adjustments I say it’s fairly close.

Cheers Mark

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Kegged English Bitter Trial #2 (7/10/19).

Colour matches the kit, aroma seems very close. Looking forward to this one in a few weeks.

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On 02/10/2019 at 8:24 AM, Rennce said:

When I get around to doing my next order I shall add Liam's tweaked recipe to the list. 

Have you put this one in the droid yet?

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