IPA into IIPA

[Dean Buchanan]

If I wanted to make a strong IIPA would it just involve adding a pouch of X5 & some more hops to what is already in the Mountain Range IPA brewprint or is there more to it ? 

[Duffman]

Adding a pouch of X5 will bump up the ABV by about 1% - it'll affect the taste a bit but shouldn't be too major

[Gibbo]

From what I can gather, the X5 is something like straight dextrose. The flavour changes should only be due to high ABV.

Duffman is right, each pouch will give you 1% increase in ABV.

If you aren't looking to alter the malt or colour characteristics as well, you are on the right track.

Would be interested in knowing how the brew turns out for you.

[Dean Buchanan]

Was also wondering what makes a IIPA different to a IPA, is it purely the higher ABV or there more to it ? That's why I mentioned adding more hops. 

[Gibbo]

From what I understand everything is increased. More Hops, more alcohol, more malt.

What % are you targeting?

Its already at 7.5%, so doing one extra each of the enhancers would give another 3%. Do two each and you are at 13%. The E2 would have the sweeter malt profile of the three used. As mentioned before X5 will just bump up ABV.

Not sure what alcohol % the brewing yeast can handle, but I have read you need particular strains to push it much further. 

Had a can of beer that was around 12% or so. Tasted like medicine ? 

Hope you get your mix right

 

 

 

[Dean Buchanan]

Would aim for between 9 - 10 % & extra hoppy so was thinking I could double the hops & add two pouches of X5 to the brewprint to bump up the ABV

 

maybe I should contact the guys at BrewArt for some guidance 

[Deeks]

I would look for a similar recipe online and try substituting the ingredients used with the BrewArt enhancers, elements, hops and yeast.

[Duffman]

See what the team at BrewArt think - the yeast might get a bit stressed at that ABV

[Damian Ryan]

On ‎30‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 8:56 AM, Derren Green said:

Hello Community,

22 hours ago, Dean Buchanan said:

Would aim for between 9 - 10 % & extra hoppy so was thinking I could double the hops & add two pouches of X5 to the brewprint to bump up the ABV

 

maybe I should contact the guys at BrewArt for some guidance 

 

I like what your thinking there and I agree with what you have come up with. maybe consider a hop tea as apposed to doubling the Brewart hops.

I think a phone call to the Brewart team would be very well received as they are definitely encouraging us to explore and experiment. 

Please keep us informed.

 

[Jarrod Cameron]

Hey Lads,

 What was the result of this brew? I'm thinking of doing something similar next brew.

[Dean Buchanan]

Hi Jarrod , I've only just started this brew yesterday. 

 

I ended up adding 2 X5 pouches to maybe get it to 9.5ABV & will be double hopping. 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Dean Buchanan

[Dean Buchanan]

Kegging tonight , brew was 9 days + 1 day for hops, put them in the droid as might keg half & bottle half 

[dcm]

I'd be keen to hear how this works out!

[Dean Buchanan]

I've now tried a couple of bottles last week that were in secondary Fermentation for 2 weeks & it tasted great, strong beer & the extra hops was noticeable. Will leave the rest now until 1 month, taste again then decide if it could do with even longer. 

[Gavin Condon]

I am looking to do a double IPA as well. One of my favourites is Pliny the Elder and there are a lot of full grain clones available:

http://beersmithrecipes.com/searchrecipe?term=pliny&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2015/10/pliny-elder-40.html

Would a beer this style even be possible using our malt extract and enhancers? 

Hop wise I am thinking dry hoping should be fairly simple by taking one of the recipes and dividing it down to 10l.

From what I remember of Pliny the Elder is it is much lighter  in colour then IPAs here but with a ton of bitterness, more similar to the West Coast Pale Ale then Mountain IPA from the BrewPrints. Also I did like the Mountain IPA, but on occasion found the hops to have a slightly metallic taste.

 

So I was thinking of starting with the West Coast Pale ale 

• 3x E1
• 1x E2
• 1x E5

 

and bringing in more malt and extract:

• 2 x E1
• 1 x E2

So total recipe:

• 5x E1
• 2x E2
• 1x E5

 

 

In terms of hopping I made this calculations:

Dry Hop 1
Simcoe    12.48g
Cascade  10.40g
CTZ          6.24g

Dry Hop 2
Simcoe   12.48g
Cascade  9.36g
Amarillo 4.49g
CTZ         4.49g

This will be my first custom and dry hopped brew, but I have done heaps of prints.

What do you guys think?

[Brad Quinn]

It's funny you mention the metallic taste. My first 2 week bottle (still very green) had a metallic or chemical taste and I couldn't put my finger on it.  4 weeks later and that taste has gone but not hoppy enough. I'm happy with the 7.5 abv but need a hoppier hit. I was wondering if the addition of a pouch or 2 of x5 would change the taste at all? 

[Andrew Stimson]

Interesting Brad. I am new to this but have brewed a couple of sparkling ales. I am getting the metallic taste despite being fastidious with sanitising. I am now using bottled water in case this makes a difference. However, maybe leave it longer before tasting is the go? So about a month or so?

[Beard Droid]

@Andrew Stimson I can't say that I have ever personally had a metallic taste. What are you sanitising with? 

[Andrew Stimson]

I use StarSan. I am very careful. It's been a bit frustrating. I have done about seven brews and they have all been pretty awful. But I have drunk them after two or three weeks. I guess I have to leave them longer.

[Gavin Condon]

The double IPA recipe above turned out great. Dangerous after a couple though ?

 

Hops were beautiful, my only gripe was it was the base was a little too dark and malty for a west coast style double IPA. So I am going to wind back the E2s and substitute in some E5s

 

• 5x E1
• 3x E5

I'll dry hop the same.

 

I also made a batch of a West Coast IPA, but dry hopped it similar to above (but just a single dry hop) and it was one of my favourites yet. Good session IPA.

[Simon Mumford]

On 5/1/2017 at 4:26 PM, Gavin Condon said:

I am looking to do a double IPA as well. One of my favourites is Pliny the Elder and there are a lot of full grain clones available:

http://beersmithrecipes.com/searchrecipe?term=pliny&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2015/10/pliny-elder-40.html

Would a beer this style even be possible using our malt extract and enhancers? 

Hop wise I am thinking dry hoping should be fairly simple by taking one of the recipes and dividing it down to 10l.

From what I remember of Pliny the Elder is it is much lighter  in colour then IPAs here but with a ton of bitterness, more similar to the West Coast Pale Ale then Mountain IPA from the BrewPrints. Also I did like the Mountain IPA, but on occasion found the hops to have a slightly metallic taste.

 

So I was thinking of starting with the West Coast Pale ale 

• 3x E1
• 1x E2
• 1x E5

 

and bringing in more malt and extract:

• 2 x E1
• 1 x E2

So total recipe:

• 5x E1
• 2x E2
• 1x E5

 

 

In terms of hopping I made this calculations:

Dry Hop 1
Simcoe    12.48g
Cascade  10.40g
CTZ          6.24g

Dry Hop 2
Simcoe   12.48g
Cascade  9.36g
Amarillo 4.49g
CTZ         4.49g

This will be my first custom and dry hopped brew, but I have done heaps of prints.

What do you guys think?

Hey Gavin,

When did you add dry hop 1 and dry hop 2 and for how long? Also did you cold crash or keep it cloudy?

Cheers

[J P]

Ive just done a IIPa (The Voyager —from the Cooper’s DIY website)  It tasted amazing out of the droid, and I’m certain it will be something special once it’s conditioned.

Basically, the recipe for a droid is 1/2 can of Brew A (American Pale Ale Brewprint?) and 1/2 can of Preachers Hefe (German Weissbier Brewprint?) adding 2X1’s then DH with Mosaic Simple and Centennial…

Trying to recreate the base:

I reckon

E1

E2

3 E5

4 X1

4 X2

Y1

 

but then I’m realising that is going to push the ABV way too high for an IIPA?

I’m finding DH total should be around 150-200g MAX to avoid soapy unpleasantness

 

 

[Dustin Frothman]

13 minutes ago, J P said:

Ive just done a IIPa (The Voyager —from the Cooper’s DIY website)  It tasted amazing out of the droid, and I’m certain it will be something special once it’s conditioned.

Basically, the recipe for a droid is 1/2 can of Brew A (American Pale Ale Brewprint?) and 1/2 can of Preachers Hefe (German Weissbier Brewprint?) adding 2X1’s then DH with Mosaic Simple and Centennial…

Trying to recreate the base:

I reckon

E1

E2

3 E5

4 X1

4 X2

Y1

 

but then I’m realising that is going to push the ABV way too high for an IIPA?

I’m finding DH total should be around 150-200g MAX to avoid soapy unpleasantness

 

 

Is it worth just trying to grab those cans instead?

I dropped into the local Country Brewer yesterday to grab a few things and noticed they had them. Otherwise you could always grab online from Coopers as its free postage with 4 cans.

[J P]

yeah mate my first round was with the cans…. I was trying to “translate “ into dry ingredients which is likely not an exact science, especially considering my state of mind! 😉

it shows real promise… 

[J P]

On 20/03/2022 at 4:02 PM, J P said:

yeah mate my first round was with the cans…. I was trying to “translate “ into dry ingredients which is likely not an exact science, especially considering my state of mind! 😉

it shows real promise… 

This one at 8 weeks is AWESOME!!!

 

as good as any high priced crafty!

a bit of sweetness rounds out the bitterness and hops intensity are amazing

(simple above was Simcoe, sorry)

 

I highly recommend this one.   I'd prefer to use dry ingredients from coopers rather than the cans of syrup (this recipe takes two droids full, and transferring syrup can be a real pain)